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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Psikerlord#" data-source="post: 6424659" data-attributes="member: 93321">Over the years I've found high level optimising makes for a less fun game for me personally as a player and DM. The DM can always make the game harder, the optimiser is competeing against himself really, and by optimising too much you often sacrifice versatility in other areas. So you end up with less choice, which tends to make the game less interesting/fun overall. More important I think is making sure your PC fills a useful or unique niche in the party - if you do that, you're in for a fun game/campaign. No-one else in the party does that special thing your PC does, and so you dont need to optimise (in fact optimising it will probably be self defeating, with diminishing returns and loss of utility).</blockquote>