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<blockquote data-quote="Gradine" data-source="post: 7199357" data-attributes="member: 57112">Ah, but &quot;being especially well hidden&quot; is a circumstance that, until the object is moved, permanent, and applies just as much at the moment of its hiding as it does to the moment of its finding. And how well the object is hidden is absolutely a factor of the hider's (in this case the PC's) own talents and actions.I'm not advocating anything as a hard and fast rule; different rulings will make more or less sense at different tables or in different contexts. I could see asynchronous opposed rolls making sense in this context; I could also see the DM simply deciding how, when and by whom the object is found in the course of developing the world and the story within the campaign. I could also see tables and players and/or DMs who would be angrily opposed to either of those choices.This is why, I believe, WotC simplified Ability Checks in 5e, and set them up so individual DMs would have to decide in the moment the best way to adjudicate the system. Which I happen to think is to the game's benefit.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Gradine, post: 7199357, member: 57112"] Ah, but "being especially well hidden" is a circumstance that, until the object is moved, permanent, and applies just as much at the moment of its hiding as it does to the moment of its finding. And how well the object is hidden is absolutely a factor of the hider's (in this case the PC's) own talents and actions. I'm not advocating anything as a hard and fast rule; different rulings will make more or less sense at different tables or in different contexts. I could see asynchronous opposed rolls making sense in this context; I could also see the DM simply deciding how, when and by whom the object is found in the course of developing the world and the story within the campaign. I could also see tables and players and/or DMs who would be angrily opposed to either of those choices. This is why, I believe, WotC simplified Ability Checks in 5e, and set them up so individual DMs would have to decide in the moment the best way to adjudicate the system. Which I happen to think is to the game's benefit. [/QUOTE]

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