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Can Paladins/Rangers use scrolls at levels 1-3
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<blockquote data-quote="Arrowhawk" data-source="post: 6013108" data-attributes="member: 6679551"><p>The question is whether a Paladin/Ranger can use scrolls at levels 1-3. </p><p></p><p>I've done a fair amount of research and the vast majority of the naysayers cite this logic:</p><p></p><p>Paladin/Ranger has no caster level until 4th and you need a caster level to make a caster level check. Ergo, you can't use scrolls.</p><p></p><p>However, that logic is wanting. Nowhere is a "caster level" <em>required</em> to cast a scroll. Such a statement is never made anywhere in the PFSSRD nor is it made in D&D 3.5. To wit, a level 1 Paladin satisfies all the requirements listed to cast a scroll. They are as follows:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Here's what it says about caster level.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The authors of these rules clearly knew that a level 1 Paladin satisfies all of these requirements. So if the intent was to exclude them, why not require that a scroll user have a caster level of at least 1? Alternatively, they could have specifically excluded Paladins/Rangers or anyone who can't cast spells....but they didn't. The requirement is that the spell is on a person's spell list, the requirement is not that a person must be able to cast spells.</p><p></p><p>Now, I realize this is going to garner a lot of rote responses that "no caster level" =/= as caster level of 0. Well, there's a Rules of the Game archive for 3.5 which seems to disagree with that. I'll link it <a href="http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/rg/20041116a" target="_blank">here</a>.</p><p></p><p>The tricky part of reading this is that based on context, in the <em>Spell Completion</em> section, the author says "Spell Trigger" when he means "Spell Completion." This may not be immediately obvious, but if you look at the context of the paragraph, it becomes so. The key thing to note is that the "effective level" of someone who does not have a caster level is 0. </p><p></p><p>This will no doubt feel fundamentally wrong to many. Everywhere I've looked this up, people just repeat the same thing over and over even when the person asking the question has pointed out that nowhere is a caster level required. </p><p></p><p>I've never seen level 1-3 Paladins consider using scrolls. But when I actually read the scroll requirements, it became exceedingly obvious that the way the rules are written, they seem to intentionally allow Paladins and Rangers to meet the <em>stated </em>requirements. </p><p></p><p>My question is whether there is an official FAQ from Paizo or PFS that discusses this, or is this specific question even answered in a D&D FAQ (I might visit the 3.5 boards on this matter).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Arrowhawk, post: 6013108, member: 6679551"] The question is whether a Paladin/Ranger can use scrolls at levels 1-3. I've done a fair amount of research and the vast majority of the naysayers cite this logic: Paladin/Ranger has no caster level until 4th and you need a caster level to make a caster level check. Ergo, you can't use scrolls. However, that logic is wanting. Nowhere is a "caster level" [I]required[/I] to cast a scroll. Such a statement is never made anywhere in the PFSSRD nor is it made in D&D 3.5. To wit, a level 1 Paladin satisfies all the requirements listed to cast a scroll. They are as follows: Here's what it says about caster level. The authors of these rules clearly knew that a level 1 Paladin satisfies all of these requirements. So if the intent was to exclude them, why not require that a scroll user have a caster level of at least 1? Alternatively, they could have specifically excluded Paladins/Rangers or anyone who can't cast spells....but they didn't. The requirement is that the spell is on a person's spell list, the requirement is not that a person must be able to cast spells. Now, I realize this is going to garner a lot of rote responses that "no caster level" =/= as caster level of 0. Well, there's a Rules of the Game archive for 3.5 which seems to disagree with that. I'll link it [URL="http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/rg/20041116a"]here[/URL]. The tricky part of reading this is that based on context, in the [I]Spell Completion[/I] section, the author says "Spell Trigger" when he means "Spell Completion." This may not be immediately obvious, but if you look at the context of the paragraph, it becomes so. The key thing to note is that the "effective level" of someone who does not have a caster level is 0. This will no doubt feel fundamentally wrong to many. Everywhere I've looked this up, people just repeat the same thing over and over even when the person asking the question has pointed out that nowhere is a caster level required. I've never seen level 1-3 Paladins consider using scrolls. But when I actually read the scroll requirements, it became exceedingly obvious that the way the rules are written, they seem to intentionally allow Paladins and Rangers to meet the [I]stated [/I]requirements. My question is whether there is an official FAQ from Paizo or PFS that discusses this, or is this specific question even answered in a D&D FAQ (I might visit the 3.5 boards on this matter). [/QUOTE]
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