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<blockquote data-quote="Bastoche" data-source="post: 490162" data-attributes="member: 306">???I thought the rule book was the book that showed the rules. I could stop reading it, but then I might as well play another game.My point is in each class description, if a weapon is an exotic weapon and the class has proficiency with it (since such a thing would be appart from the &quot;general&quot; rule saying that nobody is proficient in any weapon unless otherwise specified) it should be explicitly written. What I call &quot;explicitly written&quot; is a phrase that contains to actual weapon name. Like &quot;hand crossbow&quot; instead of &quot;crossbow that could be held in one hand&quot; or &quot;shurikens&quot; instead of &quot;metal stars that hurt when thrown&quot; or &quot;kukri, dagger, and punching dagger&quot; instead of &quot;all daggers&quot;.As a &quot;rule lawyer&quot; I would say that &quot;proficient with all daggers&quot; would apply to every weapon that is called &quot;dagger&quot;. In other words, a weapon in the tables of the equipement chapter from the PHB (or any other source book) that contains the word &quot;dagger&quot;. Like &quot;punching dagger&quot; for example. Since it's &quot;kukri&quot; and not &quot;kukri dagger&quot;, I say a &quot;kukri&quot; is not a &quot;dagger&quot; even if it's called a &quot;dagger&quot; in the description. A greatsword is a dagger for a dragon. Why then aren't the rogue proficient with it ? It's just another sort of dagger isn't it ?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Bastoche, post: 490162, member: 306"] ??? I thought the rule book was the book that showed the rules. I could stop reading it, but then I might as well play another game. My point is in each class description, if a weapon is an exotic weapon and the class has proficiency with it (since such a thing would be appart from the "general" rule saying that nobody is proficient in any weapon unless otherwise specified) it should be explicitly written. What I call "explicitly written" is a phrase that contains to actual weapon name. Like "hand crossbow" instead of "crossbow that could be held in one hand" or "shurikens" instead of "metal stars that hurt when thrown" or "kukri, dagger, and punching dagger" instead of "all daggers". As a "rule lawyer" I would say that "proficient with all daggers" would apply to every weapon that is called "dagger". In other words, a weapon in the tables of the equipement chapter from the PHB (or any other source book) that contains the word "dagger". Like "punching dagger" for example. Since it's "kukri" and not "kukri dagger", I say a "kukri" is not a "dagger" even if it's called a "dagger" in the description. A greatsword is a dagger for a dragon. Why then aren't the rogue proficient with it ? It's just another sort of dagger isn't it ? [/QUOTE]

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