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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Garthanos" data-source="post: 5138152" data-attributes="member: 82504">That might be appropriate if what came after release was indeed just bloat.... But for those who are up to date... It makes your argument appear quite worthlessly out of date. Note I don't really blame you for it... If I lacked interest in a game because it wasn't my thing...  why would I even spend 12 dollars for an update on it. (The one month subscription to DDi could be seen as a minimalist... what is new in 4e excursion - between character builder - monster builder apps and the download of back pdfs there is an incredible amount of content. It still would only hint at things in DMG2 like character builder has an option to toggle inherent bonuses so if you have a magic item minimalist campaign the characters aren't out of sync with the encounter building guidelines)</blockquote>