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<blockquote data-quote="StarFyre" data-source="post: 3984880" data-attributes="member: 26055">noin a logical method no.Reason I say logical is in the method and style.ie. magic is defined by, essentially, stuff that allows you to do things that aren't possible.&nbsp; Technology on the otherhand (even sci-fi) is based on the assumption that if it's not doable now, it MAY be in the future (but it's still based on facts, science, math, etc).&nbsp; Since magic can alter reality, change history, stop time, destroy worlds with a thought (yes, you could technically make a spell todo that if you really wanted, and in some games/comics, stories, characters can do that..Blackheart does it with magic, in marvel comics, rips a world apart, killing billions), etc.&nbsp;&nbsp; A regular warrior can never beat this...IF the spellcaster is allowed to have the spells that they can logically (in terms of, let me create whatever i want to create since there is no reason i can't....) what i mean by this is, no arbitrary balance rules saying &quot;we won't allow this since we want fighters and thieves to have a chance&quot; . If magic exists, there is no reason that a wizard couldn't create spells like Wish, Disjunction, Karsus' Avatar, Mavin's Raise Volcano, Time Stop, Time Duplicate, Gate, etc, etc, etc.It's the main gripe my players have with 4E.&nbsp; They prefer the style that wizards can do anything BUT due to our play style, this never causes problems, if wizards are more powerful once you reach mid way and later.&nbsp; (for this reason, I'm going to house rule the wizard alot, once I see the 4E version..to make it moreto what they want and what I expect for my cosmology, etc).Anyways.Sanjay</blockquote>

[QUOTE="StarFyre, post: 3984880, member: 26055"] [b]no[/b] in a logical method no. Reason I say logical is in the method and style. ie. magic is defined by, essentially, stuff that allows you to do things that aren't possible. Technology on the otherhand (even sci-fi) is based on the assumption that if it's not doable now, it MAY be in the future (but it's still based on facts, science, math, etc). Since magic can alter reality, change history, stop time, destroy worlds with a thought (yes, you could technically make a spell todo that if you really wanted, and in some games/comics, stories, characters can do that..Blackheart does it with magic, in marvel comics, rips a world apart, killing billions), etc. A regular warrior can never beat this...IF the spellcaster is allowed to have the spells that they can logically (in terms of, let me create whatever i want to create since there is no reason i can't....) what i mean by this is, no arbitrary balance rules saying "we won't allow this since we want fighters and thieves to have a chance" . If magic exists, there is no reason that a wizard couldn't create spells like Wish, Disjunction, Karsus' Avatar, Mavin's Raise Volcano, Time Stop, Time Duplicate, Gate, etc, etc, etc. It's the main gripe my players have with 4E. They prefer the style that wizards can do anything BUT due to our play style, this never causes problems, if wizards are more powerful once you reach mid way and later. (for this reason, I'm going to house rule the wizard alot, once I see the 4E version..to make it moreto what they want and what I expect for my cosmology, etc). Anyways. Sanjay [/QUOTE]

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