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<blockquote data-quote="Brother MacLaren" data-source="post: 3985621" data-attributes="member: 15999">It's an instakill against a opponent of up to certain Large sizes with no means of teleporting, plane shifting, Dim Dooring, or Disintegrating.&nbsp; That's about it.It's ineffective against most high-CR dragons, giants, and brute monsters (size), most other high-CR monsters (teleporting -- demons, devils, spellcasters), and even beholders (disintegrate).&nbsp; How many MM monsters are there of CR 13+?&nbsp; How many can be held by Forcecage?&nbsp; Remember, the game isn't intended to be balanced for PvP.I've never actually seen anybody use Forecage in a game, but I expect that a DM would rule based on the creature's actual size, rather than its square occupied.&nbsp; For example, a Huge dragon takes up a 15' square, but can reach its tail 10' behind the edge of its square and its bite 15' ahead of the square.&nbsp; I would expect that most DMs in actual play would rule that such a creature cannot be contained in a 20' Forcecage.In my experience, balance was reached with the addition of CWar and CAdv, and very limited acceptance of things from CDiv and CArc (the warlock, for example, is fine to allow).&nbsp; I did not see much use of PHB2 or Bo9S, and still saw melee types do more damage against BBEGs than casters did.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Brother MacLaren, post: 3985621, member: 15999"] It's an instakill against a opponent of up to certain Large sizes with no means of teleporting, plane shifting, Dim Dooring, or Disintegrating. That's about it. It's ineffective against most high-CR dragons, giants, and brute monsters (size), most other high-CR monsters (teleporting -- demons, devils, spellcasters), and even beholders (disintegrate). How many MM monsters are there of CR 13+? How many can be held by Forcecage? Remember, the game isn't intended to be balanced for PvP. I've never actually seen anybody use Forecage in a game, but I expect that a DM would rule based on the creature's actual size, rather than its square occupied. For example, a Huge dragon takes up a 15' square, but can reach its tail 10' behind the edge of its square and its bite 15' ahead of the square. I would expect that most DMs in actual play would rule that such a creature cannot be contained in a 20' Forcecage. In my experience, balance was reached with the addition of CWar and CAdv, and very limited acceptance of things from CDiv and CArc (the warlock, for example, is fine to allow). I did not see much use of PHB2 or Bo9S, and still saw melee types do more damage against BBEGs than casters did. [/QUOTE]

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