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Message: <blockquote data-quote="jtrowell" data-source="post: 3988122" data-attributes="member: 57422">If you start as a fighter to get the needed feat to access a prestige class that give some spells, does it means that the fighter get spells ?So why do you use this exemple about the warblade ?To their credit, they have made those classes both useful for 20 levels, and great to take a few level.I started dming a new Eberron campaign where 2 characters use classes from ToB : a rogue/swordsage warforged scout (with a special background to explain its "magical" maneuvers), and a warblade/fighter warforged (currently Warblade 1 / Fighter 2)The leap is a problem with the jump skill, not the maneuver. A vanilla 3.x fighter could, with max ranks and a few other bonuses, beat the world jump record while wearing full plate with just a few levels.Fix the jump skill (and the 3.x skill system), and the maneuver itself is not a problem anymore (I suppose you were refering on the maneuver that allow to make a jump as a swift action ? It does nothing more than you could do with a normal action you know ?)And the "flaming" part doesn't come from your warblade maneuvers.You say that you used "desert wind stuff" but desert wind is *not* among the disciplines available to warblades (unless you use a feat, the same way a fighter could take some feat giving a spell like ability, *not something he get from the class itself*).Make no mistake : there are several things that I don't like in ToB : - the fluff that I don't use at all- some maneuvers are broken or could be depending on how you use them (but then, the spells in PHB and several feats aren't exempts from this kind of problem)But I love the base maneuver/stance system, and knowing than 4th edition will use a similar system (even if somewhat different with at will, per encounter (with no easy recharge during combat) and per day powers instead of at will combat stances and per encounter (with recharge) maneuvers)Not a class ability or maneuver from the warblade."Bloodstorm Blade prestige classe is mainly accessed from warblade levels" doesn't means than all warblades must take this prestige class.I'm fairly sure that there are several prestige classes in 3.5 hstarting a a fighter is the best way to get to the base attack and feats needed, and were the class get some surnatural ability.The existance of a broken/surnatural/underpowered/overpowered/extreme or boring prestige class has *no* influence on the base class best used to access the prestige class.</blockquote>

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