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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Oryan77" data-source="post: 6120185" data-attributes="member: 18701">I'm in the boat that says the DM can cheat, but he still has to be fair when he's cheating.Do you have any specific examples of a moment that you cheated that may have been noticeable to these players? I would like to hear it before being critical about your "cheating".Like others said, if a DM is going to cheat, it cannot be obvious. If it is obvious, then you are cheating in a negative way and the players have a right to complain about it.From my experience, complaining about a DM cheating is usually the result of two things:1. The person complaining is a powergamer who expects to never be challenged and to never fail. The DM cheats because he cannot challenge this PC without going out of his way to do so, and challenging him fairly will be unfair to the rest of the group. Usually the powergamer will complain whether or not the DM was obvious about cheating, and usually even if the DM didn't actually cheat. This is why I don't DM for anyone that will build PCs that are noticeably overpowering when compared to the other PCs. It's too much hassle to deal with.2. The DM cheats in an obvious way because he's trying to railroad a situation or keep a prized NPC from dying. I stat out every single NPC that I will be using in an encounter. Sometimes even players that are not powergamers, but are whiners, will accuse me of "cheating" when I'm not. I've shown my NPC sheets many times to prove that I had "just the right spell" listed right there. I started doing this because I hated when my old DM would not prepare an NPC spell list and he would pull spells out of his butt in order to thwart all of my actions. That is what I consider cheating in a bad way.</blockquote>

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