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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 6124039" data-attributes="member: 42582">In my view, yes - if by &quot;cheat&quot; we mean something like &quot;deliberately break the rules&quot;.That would depend upon whether or not the GM was bound by rules, of course, but I prefer a system in which the GM is so bound.My personal concern with this is that most tables where this principle is applied don't let the players invoke it, only the GM.Agreed.Obviously I wasn't there. And I don't know what system you (airwalkrr) were using. But what Kingreaper says makes sense to me.It may not have been that the players just &quot;wanted to roll more dice&quot;. It may be that they wanted to exercise some control over how things turned out, rather than have the GM decide the shape of the &quot;interesting narrative&quot;.Marvel Heroic Roleplaying is a system that may deliver what it sounds like you are looking for. Although it's just been cancelled, PDFs (and maybe books too?) are still on sale until the end of April.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 6124039, member: 42582"] In my view, yes - if by "cheat" we mean something like "deliberately break the rules". That would depend upon whether or not the GM was bound by rules, of course, but I prefer a system in which the GM is so bound. My personal concern with this is that most tables where this principle is applied don't let the players invoke it, only the GM. Agreed. Obviously I wasn't there. And I don't know what system you (airwalkrr) were using. But what Kingreaper says makes sense to me. It may not have been that the players just "wanted to roll more dice". It may be that [I]they[/I] wanted to exercise some control over how things turned out, rather than have the GM decide the shape of the "interesting narrative". Marvel Heroic Roleplaying is a system that may deliver what it sounds like you are looking for. Although it's just been cancelled, PDFs (and maybe books too?) are still on sale until the end of April. [/QUOTE]

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