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<blockquote data-quote="Majoru Oakheart" data-source="post: 6132166" data-attributes="member: 5143">I used to agree about 4e...but as time goes on, 4e is suffering from the same problem(though to a lesser degree).&nbsp; I can't run 4e anymore without getting just as frustrated.&nbsp; My last game of 4e went something like this:Player 1: &quot;I charge, when I charge I turn invisible giving me combat advantage.&nbsp; I get +1 from charging, +3 for having combat advantage with a light blade, and with the rest of my bonuses that gives me a +29 to hit.&nbsp; I do 75 damage.&quot;Me: &quot;Well, the enemy has a 27 AC...so I guess you hit on a -2.&nbsp; He has 98 hitpoints so that bloodies him in one attack...which is way too powerful.&nbsp; He attacks back.&nbsp; I roll a 15...with a bonus of +18, that makes 33.&nbsp; But since you are invisible, he gets -5.&nbsp; That's 28.&nbsp; You have an AC of 34...I guess that misses...even if you weren't invisible...and I rolled well.&nbsp; *sigh*&quot;Player 2: &quot;My turn!&nbsp; I hit AC of 23!&nbsp; That misses I suppose&quot;Player 3: &quot; I hit AC 26!&nbsp; I guess that misses too.&quot;Player 4: &quot;I hit AC 28.&nbsp; I hit.&nbsp; I do 23 damage.&quot;Me: &quot;So, let me get this straight....75% of your damage comes from a single PCs...this seems kind of dumb.&quot;Each book that came out added more and more corner cases where the rules had weird interactions.&nbsp; Now I have one player who threatened to stop playing if he wasn't allowed to be a Hybrid or multiclass character because he felt that single class characters just weren't powerful enough.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Majoru Oakheart, post: 6132166, member: 5143"] I used to agree about 4e...but as time goes on, 4e is suffering from the same problem(though to a lesser degree). I can't run 4e anymore without getting just as frustrated. My last game of 4e went something like this: Player 1: "I charge, when I charge I turn invisible giving me combat advantage. I get +1 from charging, +3 for having combat advantage with a light blade, and with the rest of my bonuses that gives me a +29 to hit. I do 75 damage." Me: "Well, the enemy has a 27 AC...so I guess you hit on a -2. He has 98 hitpoints so that bloodies him in one attack...which is way too powerful. He attacks back. I roll a 15...with a bonus of +18, that makes 33. But since you are invisible, he gets -5. That's 28. You have an AC of 34...I guess that misses...even if you weren't invisible...and I rolled well. *sigh*" Player 2: "My turn! I hit AC of 23! That misses I suppose" Player 3: " I hit AC 26! I guess that misses too." Player 4: "I hit AC 28. I hit. I do 23 damage." Me: "So, let me get this straight....75% of your damage comes from a single PCs...this seems kind of dumb." Each book that came out added more and more corner cases where the rules had weird interactions. Now I have one player who threatened to stop playing if he wasn't allowed to be a Hybrid or multiclass character because he felt that single class characters just weren't powerful enough. [/QUOTE]

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