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<blockquote data-quote="pawned79" data-source="post: 1970191" data-attributes="member: 9284">As a DM, I had a perused vampire spider climb onto a vaulted ceiling and when my player came in, I gave him a spot check verses the vampire’s hide check. When he failed, I dropped the vamp on him as a surprise round. My player disagreed with my decision because the room was well lit (true) and the vampire didn’t have any cover to hide behind. My argument was that it was an usual location, and people don’t naturally look to the ceiling when determining where their prey went.As a player, I wished to sneak into a jail to assassinate a sleeping prisoner. Peering around the corner, I saw the small cell on the other side of a small room, and a guard sitting at a table reading a book. The room was well lit. I told the DM that what I would like to do is use an item to begin levitating, then float up to the ceiling and, using move silently and hide, sneak around the corner, over the guards head, over to the dark corner of the jail, descend into the dark corner, and then assassinate the sleeping prisoner. He told me that I would not be able to do that, because the ceiling is well lit and there is nothing to hide behind. I couldn’t hide on the ceiling.Many times, as a player, I’ve had my rogue position himself above ledges over doorways in well lit rooms to gain a surprise advantage and have been denied the hide option. As a DM, I rule that it is acceptable to use the hide skill in this way. Please, I would love to hear your opinions on the subject?Patrick</blockquote>

[QUOTE="pawned79, post: 1970191, member: 9284"] As a DM, I had a perused vampire spider climb onto a vaulted ceiling and when my player came in, I gave him a spot check verses the vampire’s hide check. When he failed, I dropped the vamp on him as a surprise round. My player disagreed with my decision because the room was well lit (true) and the vampire didn’t have any cover to hide behind. My argument was that it was an usual location, and people don’t naturally look to the ceiling when determining where their prey went. As a player, I wished to sneak into a jail to assassinate a sleeping prisoner. Peering around the corner, I saw the small cell on the other side of a small room, and a guard sitting at a table reading a book. The room was well lit. I told the DM that what I would like to do is use an item to begin levitating, then float up to the ceiling and, using move silently and hide, sneak around the corner, over the guards head, over to the dark corner of the jail, descend into the dark corner, and then assassinate the sleeping prisoner. He told me that I would not be able to do that, because the ceiling is well lit and there is nothing to hide behind. I couldn’t hide on the ceiling. Many times, as a player, I’ve had my rogue position himself above ledges over doorways in well lit rooms to gain a surprise advantage and have been denied the hide option. As a DM, I rule that it is acceptable to use the hide skill in this way. Please, I would love to hear your opinions on the subject? Patrick [/QUOTE]

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