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<blockquote data-quote="Targos" data-source="post: 1970548" data-attributes="member: 2655"><p>As others have stated by the RAW there's no chance to hide. However, as a houserule I would use a listen check instead of a spot check. You sneak up behind somebody in a place with no cover/concealment. If he looks your way he sees you, no spot rolls needed. If he doesn't look your way, still no spot roll, because he didn't even look. However, he might hear you so there would be a listen check. This situation is very subjective on whether or not they might look over their shoulder. They might not have a reason to look behind them, but its likely they would at some point. This scenerio can easily be foiled, but it gives the PC a chance if the DM wants them to have one. If a PC is exploring a dungeon I'd expect them to be looking all directions as monsters may be lurking anywhere. (Likewise for any gaurd who's doing his job.) A shopkeeper wouldn't expect somebody to cling to the ceiling when they lock up for the night. (assuming tall ceilings, 10' would still be within plain view IMO) In any event I'd expect the PC to act immediately.</p></blockquote><p></p>

[QUOTE="Targos, post: 1970548, member: 2655"] As others have stated by the RAW there's no chance to hide. However, as a houserule I would use a listen check instead of a spot check. You sneak up behind somebody in a place with no cover/concealment. If he looks your way he sees you, no spot rolls needed. If he doesn't look your way, still no spot roll, because he didn't even look. However, he might hear you so there would be a listen check. This situation is very subjective on whether or not they might look over their shoulder. They might not have a reason to look behind them, but its likely they would at some point. This scenerio can easily be foiled, but it gives the PC a chance if the DM wants them to have one. If a PC is exploring a dungeon I'd expect them to be looking all directions as monsters may be lurking anywhere. (Likewise for any gaurd who's doing his job.) A shopkeeper wouldn't expect somebody to cling to the ceiling when they lock up for the night. (assuming tall ceilings, 10' would still be within plain view IMO) In any event I'd expect the PC to act immediately. [/QUOTE]

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