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<blockquote data-quote="Kemrain" data-source="post: 1972373" data-attributes="member: 12153">This sounds like a great way to hurt feelings and ruin fun. If a GM did that to me, I'd want to walk out on them. I mean, a snide &quot;Did you remember to pull the pin?&quot; is assinine enough. Simply assuming you didn't, and damaging the rest ofthe party, that crosses the line from abusively amusing to just plain mean.The Rules say you need Cover or Consealment.&nbsp; Your skull provides people behind you with cover. Facing rules have been stripped out of combat, but before initiative is rolled, your eyestalks are retracted firmly up inside your nasal cavity, and you have but your two eyes to see with.&nbsp; Vampire on cieling gets a hide check, sure, at a penalty, sure, say you're looking up and get a bonus to your roll, sure.&nbsp; People fail to notice obvious things all the time. Less than obvious things get a roll. Checking the cieling is smart, and can save your life, but your Spot check assumes you're spotting to the best of your ability, which means looking up.Break the damg rules if you need to, just make sure the players can break the rules in the same way to their benefit.&nbsp; Change rules so everyone can use them.BTW, if you just give Polar Bears the Camoflage ability, they can hide in a field of snow no problem.- Kemrain the Unseen.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Kemrain, post: 1972373, member: 12153"] This sounds like a great way to hurt feelings and ruin fun. If a GM did that to me, I'd want to walk out on them. I mean, a snide "Did you remember to pull the pin?" is assinine enough. Simply assuming you didn't, and damaging the rest ofthe party, that crosses the line from abusively amusing to just plain mean. The Rules say you need Cover or Consealment. Your skull provides people behind you with cover. Facing rules have been stripped out of combat, but before initiative is rolled, your eyestalks are retracted firmly up inside your nasal cavity, and you have but your two eyes to see with. Vampire on cieling gets a hide check, sure, at a penalty, sure, say you're looking up and get a bonus to your roll, sure. People fail to notice obvious things all the time. Less than obvious things get a roll. Checking the cieling is smart, and can save your life, but your Spot check assumes you're spotting to the best of your ability, which means looking up. Break the damg rules if you need to, just make sure the players can break the rules in the same way to their benefit. Change rules so everyone can use them. BTW, if you just give Polar Bears the Camoflage ability, they can hide in a field of snow no problem. - Kemrain the Unseen. [/QUOTE]

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