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<blockquote data-quote="mneme" data-source="post: 5664689" data-attributes="member: 59248">If you like, I can rephrase that as &quot;Any GM using the Bag of Rats rule&quot;.&nbsp; Obviously, you don't have to run the game by the rules, but that does break the warranty.Because the whole idea of vampirism is that the Vampire can't create vitality from nothing; if she could, she wouldn't need the blood.&nbsp; Instead, the entire schtick is predicated on moving vitality from one place to another.&nbsp; That said, I'd forgotten that Blood Drain does do a decent chunk of damage to the target; as such it's only -really- broken if you capture a regenerator and carry them around.KInda.&nbsp; The thing is, even if it's not overpowered, it's worth noting BoR situations as they occur, as there are actually several reasons to honor the BoR rule:1. It can create broken results.2. It gives players a benefit for adding to the clutter of the game.3. It lets players create repeatable powers out of nothing.4. It uses powers in an unintended way.What's a complicating factor is that in this case, the designer has said outright that he expected it to be used on helpless prisoners.&nbsp; But lots of powers produce unintended results if you let them be used against walls/rats/prisoners.&nbsp; So it's worth examining any tactic that starts out there very closely.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="mneme, post: 5664689, member: 59248"] If you like, I can rephrase that as "Any GM using the Bag of Rats rule". Obviously, you don't have to run the game by the rules, but that does break the warranty. Because the whole idea of vampirism is that the Vampire can't create vitality from nothing; if she could, she wouldn't need the blood. Instead, the entire schtick is predicated on moving vitality from one place to another. That said, I'd forgotten that Blood Drain does do a decent chunk of damage to the target; as such it's only -really- broken if you capture a regenerator and carry them around. KInda. The thing is, even if it's not overpowered, it's worth noting BoR situations as they occur, as there are actually several reasons to honor the BoR rule: 1. It can create broken results. 2. It gives players a benefit for adding to the clutter of the game. 3. It lets players create repeatable powers out of nothing. 4. It uses powers in an unintended way. What's a complicating factor is that in this case, the designer has said outright that he expected it to be used on helpless prisoners. But lots of powers produce unintended results if you let them be used against walls/rats/prisoners. So it's worth examining any tactic that starts out there very closely. [/QUOTE]

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