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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 2944534" data-attributes="member: 2011"><p>Actually, I think the Extend wording overrides the wording in the power. If the power is extended on round 1, it's duration is doubled and at the end of his turn in round 3, the power expires. The wording in the power is merely a clarification of how the duration works in the normal duration case. IMO.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Good point. Missed that. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Sure, the opponents could be doing any of these things (many of which are anti-this power in some way). But, if the DM is running them properly, unless they actually know that he has manifested this power and know what it does, it should be several rounds (at least 3 or 4 and possibly many more) before NPCs start attempting alternative solutions.</p><p></p><p>In the first 3 or 4 rounds (minimally), they should be targeting other PCs, performing normal tactics, hitting him with fire and when that does not work, hitting him with compulsion spells and when that does not work, hitting him with weapons, etc.</p><p></p><p>Granted, if they know what he has done, then that changes when they should adjust their tactics accordingly. But, just because someone takes no damage from Fire and is not affected by a Compulsion spell does not mean that he is immune to all effects and this should not be the first thought that enters an NPC's mind.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Also, he does not need to ready. He could Delay until after his own turn. Literally according to the rules, this means that another opponent could get an entire turn in (if he has the exact same init number), but otherwise, it is still the small "opponent readying" window we have been discussing.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Assuming the "Nothing can pass through the sphere, inside or out" does not stop Dimension Door spells. Just because Wall of Force allows certain effects to pass through it does not mean that Resilient Sphere does.</p><p></p><p>One of the purposes of the sphere appears to be that of a temporary prison ("The subject may struggle, but the sphere cannot be physically moved either by people outside it or by the struggles of those within."), but it is not much of a prison if you can DD out of it.</p><p></p><p>And yes, I know about the Astral Plane Teleport argument, but the phrase "nothing can pass through" could be ruled to trump that (DM depending), just like "nothing can pass through" could be ruled to trump Gaze attacks that could get through a Wall of Force (btw, WoF is invisible and RS is not).</p><p></p><p>And, even if DD could get through it, control of a spell through it might not be allowed (i.e. only 3 rounds of Mislead) and of course, casting a different spell while concentrating on Mislead should not be allowed (I'm not sure of any rules on concentrating on one spell and casting another, but I would not allow it). So, a max of three rounds of Mislead, one of which was used up with Dimension Door (you cannot take any other actions after Dimension Door in the same round, hence, can you continue to concentrate on the spell?).</p><p></p><p>Mislead is one spell. Can it co-exist on both sides of the Sphere when "nothing can pass through"? This is similar to the one Summon Monster is used to summon 3 creatures and you dispel one of them. Do all 3 vanish since it is one spell?</p><p></p><p>All in all, even if this tactic is allowed, it should not be allowed for the entire duration of Mislead. At most, two rounds of Silenced spells while off to the side before the Mislead and Greater Invisibility of Mislead fade. Given that the Psion has two+ rounds of EBT and more if he can get it off multiple times, this does not appear to be that great of a tactic for this discussion.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 2944534, member: 2011"] Actually, I think the Extend wording overrides the wording in the power. If the power is extended on round 1, it's duration is doubled and at the end of his turn in round 3, the power expires. The wording in the power is merely a clarification of how the duration works in the normal duration case. IMO. Good point. Missed that. ;) Sure, the opponents could be doing any of these things (many of which are anti-this power in some way). But, if the DM is running them properly, unless they actually know that he has manifested this power and know what it does, it should be several rounds (at least 3 or 4 and possibly many more) before NPCs start attempting alternative solutions. In the first 3 or 4 rounds (minimally), they should be targeting other PCs, performing normal tactics, hitting him with fire and when that does not work, hitting him with compulsion spells and when that does not work, hitting him with weapons, etc. Granted, if they know what he has done, then that changes when they should adjust their tactics accordingly. But, just because someone takes no damage from Fire and is not affected by a Compulsion spell does not mean that he is immune to all effects and this should not be the first thought that enters an NPC's mind. Also, he does not need to ready. He could Delay until after his own turn. Literally according to the rules, this means that another opponent could get an entire turn in (if he has the exact same init number), but otherwise, it is still the small "opponent readying" window we have been discussing. Assuming the "Nothing can pass through the sphere, inside or out" does not stop Dimension Door spells. Just because Wall of Force allows certain effects to pass through it does not mean that Resilient Sphere does. One of the purposes of the sphere appears to be that of a temporary prison ("The subject may struggle, but the sphere cannot be physically moved either by people outside it or by the struggles of those within."), but it is not much of a prison if you can DD out of it. And yes, I know about the Astral Plane Teleport argument, but the phrase "nothing can pass through" could be ruled to trump that (DM depending), just like "nothing can pass through" could be ruled to trump Gaze attacks that could get through a Wall of Force (btw, WoF is invisible and RS is not). And, even if DD could get through it, control of a spell through it might not be allowed (i.e. only 3 rounds of Mislead) and of course, casting a different spell while concentrating on Mislead should not be allowed (I'm not sure of any rules on concentrating on one spell and casting another, but I would not allow it). So, a max of three rounds of Mislead, one of which was used up with Dimension Door (you cannot take any other actions after Dimension Door in the same round, hence, can you continue to concentrate on the spell?). Mislead is one spell. Can it co-exist on both sides of the Sphere when "nothing can pass through"? This is similar to the one Summon Monster is used to summon 3 creatures and you dispel one of them. Do all 3 vanish since it is one spell? All in all, even if this tactic is allowed, it should not be allowed for the entire duration of Mislead. At most, two rounds of Silenced spells while off to the side before the Mislead and Greater Invisibility of Mislead fade. Given that the Psion has two+ rounds of EBT and more if he can get it off multiple times, this does not appear to be that great of a tactic for this discussion. [/QUOTE]
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