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<blockquote data-quote="Kikuras" data-source="post: 6544512" data-attributes="member: 6790771">I probably didn't register it because at the time I agreed, and there was no question in my mind, however since then I feel the wording used throughout the rules is very much incomplete as far as conveying the appropriate message, even if the intent is consistent (how melee and ranged would interact with class abilities and feats.)As far as pg 146 and the DMG, you should read it again.&nbsp; My point was never about ranged attacks or melee attacks, but specifically how a weapon is categorized in the two-class system, melee and ranged.&nbsp; BY RAW a dagger (or other thrown melee) is both melee and ranged because the meet the textual description of both.&nbsp; The table on does depict intended classifications, but does not match what is written.I would also draw your attention to pg 14 of the PHB, under the heading 'Weapons&quot;:&quot;For attacks with ranged weapons, use your Dexterity modifier for attack and damage rolls. A weapon that has the thrown property, such as a handaxe, can use your Strength modifier instead.'While not at all definitive, I find the placement of rules for thrown weapons odd, since it would be a rule that applies to melee weapons, not ranged.All I'm saying is that the RAW on what a ranged weapon is not at all clear-cut, and if you were to make the argument without the (arbitrary) table on 149, this discussion would be a lot different.Also, I DO agree with you on shields and TWF. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Kikuras, post: 6544512, member: 6790771"] I probably didn't register it because at the time I agreed, and there was no question in my mind, however since then I feel the wording used throughout the rules is very much incomplete as far as conveying the appropriate message, even if the intent is consistent (how melee and ranged would interact with class abilities and feats.) As far as pg 146 and the DMG, you should read it again. My point was never about ranged attacks or melee attacks, but specifically how a weapon is categorized in the two-class system, melee and ranged. BY RAW a dagger (or other thrown melee) is both melee and ranged because the meet the textual description of both. The table on does depict [b]intended[/b] classifications, but does not match what is written. I would also draw your attention to pg 14 of the PHB, under the heading 'Weapons": "For attacks with [b]ranged weapons[/b], use your Dexterity modifier for attack and damage rolls. A weapon that has the thrown property, such as a handaxe, can use your Strength modifier instead.' While not at all definitive, I find the placement of rules for thrown weapons odd, since it would be a rule that applies to melee weapons, not ranged. All I'm saying is that the RAW on what a [b]ranged weapon[/b] is not at all clear-cut, and if you were to make the argument without the (arbitrary) table on 149, this discussion would be a lot different. Also, I [b]DO[/b] agree with you on shields and TWF. :) [/QUOTE]

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