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Message: <blockquote data-quote="delericho" data-source="post: 5126911" data-attributes="member: 22424">Coincidentally, we haven't had a good starter box for years. They've all used an incompatible or "dumbed down" ruleset, been designed to be used twice and then thrown away, lacked character creation, or had a "big jump" to graduate to the 'real' rules.Indeed, since the demise of that same Red Box I started with, we've had:The Black Box: Actually, a very nice set. But graduation was either to the not-easily-available Rules Cyclopedia (big jump) or to 2nd Edition (big jump; incompatible rules).The 3.0e Basic Set. No character creation; dumbed down rules; big jump to the 'full' 3.0e rulebooks; and this one looks and feels like cheap rubbish. (Of course, it was cheap...)Two 3.5e Basic Sets. Again, no character creation; dumbed down rules; big jump to the 960 pages of 3.5e core rules. At least these looked and felt like 'real' games.The first 4.0e set. This seemed to be intent on repeating all the mistakes of th 3.0e set, with the 'big jump' to the 832 pages of the core rules, the lack of character creaion, and in looking and feeling like cheap rubbish. It also suffered from coming out months after the core rules, and so was immediately lost in an intimidating array of "must have" supplements.With the new Red Box and the Essentials line, it finally looks like WotC have a chance of actually getting it 'right' - a basic set using the 'real' rules and including character creation, then a small step to the next box, and no assumption that you're not just going to throw out the box you've just paid for.</blockquote>

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