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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ripzerai" data-source="post: 3712535" data-attributes="member: 38324">No, you still don't seem to be understanding the argument. I'm not saying that 4e is itself an MMORPG. It's a tabletop RPG. But if you play it in a virtual environment, it is.Similarly, 3e (or Vampire, or GURPS, or whatever) isn't an MMORPG, but if it's played on a server where a bunch of people can interact, it is.No, I specifically said it wasn't. There are many parts of the DI that have nothing to do with MMORPGs. However, the DI contains an MMORPG element if you choose to use that option.Okay, then, we're agreed.Darn, I think I've lost you again. The things you've just listed are rules, not platforms. They certainly can and have been MMORPGs in the past (the original Neverwinter Nights was an AD&D-based MMORPG), but they aren't MMORPGs in themselves. Just like 4e. With that in mind, are we now on the same page?I don't think anyone's made that argument. You're confusing unlike things.1. D&D. This is a set of RPG rules. It is not an MMORPG.2. D&D Insider. This is a website that contains articles, forums, and a "virtual tabletop." This is not an MMORPG.3. The Virtual Tabletop. While it's being used by DMs and players, this is an MMORPG for all intents and purposes. It doesn't matter if they're using 4e or 3e or GURPS or RuneQuest, it's an MMORPG.  This is about the platform, not the rules.</blockquote>