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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kerrick" data-source="post: 3336413" data-attributes="member: 4722"></blockquote>Note the use of the word "was" here. I'm sure he knows that. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />But really, if that combo was broken, why did they fix metamagic AND the buff spells? One or the other would have been fine, IMO. The same question could be applied to other spells as well - if it's only a half-dozen or a dozen spells (out of 600+) that are proving to be problems, wouldn't it be easier to simply fix those, instead of making a major change to the way metamagic works?Look at it this way - a normal spell is like a base class. A metamagicked spell is like a prestige class - it builds off the base class, but also excels in one or more facets. Granted, this isn't a totally accurate analogy, since you could (conceivably) increase every single facet of the spell at once - silent, stilled, empowered, extended, enlarged - but the level increase would be quite large. Polar ray, though, shouldn't be a L8 spell - it should be L3-4, or it should deal 1d8 damage/level.How can you empower the level? Level isn't a "variable, numeric effect" - it's a set number. The only variable here is what creature you choose to simulate.I'll bet if you asked the Sage, he'd say no, but a lot of people would use the argument that "if it doesn't explicitly state you can't do it, then it's legal." Personally, I'd say you could do it simply because, like you said, it's a magic item and a feat.[/QUOTE]

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