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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Saeviomagy" data-source="post: 1238672" data-attributes="member: 5890">You keep using that word - I do not think it means what you think it means.To explicitly state that "the previous attack had to have an attack bonus in order for the new attack to have an attack bonus", cleave would need to paraphrase what you said exactly. It doesn't.It certainly implies it though.Interestingly enough - you probably could. Dunno what the attack bonus would be though. Probably zero. The wording of cleave in the SRD doesn't include anything about needing to drop the original opponent with a melee attack, it just talks about dealing damage.What seems strange to me is that if you'd been using a staff of fireball, and declared that you wanted to put the fire bead in your opponents ear (thus requiring an attack roll to put the bead through a small opening), then you'd be able to attack a creature within reach using your ranged attack bonus...And if you had great cleave, wow...</blockquote>