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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 1239013" data-attributes="member: 2011"><p>Power Attack:</p><p></p><p>"You make exceptionally powerful melee attacks"</p><p></p><p>Coup de grace is not a melee attack. Where in coup de grace does it state that it is a melee attack? Power Attack states that it is for melee attacks (not spell attacks, not ranged attacks, not coup de grace attacks).</p><p></p><p>Attacks of Opportunities are melee attacks because the AoO rules state so.</p><p></p><p>Standard Action Melee Attacks are melee attacks because the section on that states so.</p><p></p><p>Coup De Grace is a full round action that allows you to do damage. Yes, you use a melee weapon (or bow) to do that, but you do not get any attack roll, bonuses to rolls, penalties to rolls. It is an attack, but it is not a "melee attack" and it does not have a "melee attack roll".</p><p></p><p></p><p>You need to perform a melee attack to do Power Attack as per the definition of Power Attack. CDG does not state that you are doing a melee attack (in fact, you are doing something more akin to disarming a trap or picking a lock then swinging a weapon, you are performing a precise concentrated action that results in damage, your tool just happens to be called a weapon).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 1239013, member: 2011"] Power Attack: "You make exceptionally powerful melee attacks" Coup de grace is not a melee attack. Where in coup de grace does it state that it is a melee attack? Power Attack states that it is for melee attacks (not spell attacks, not ranged attacks, not coup de grace attacks). Attacks of Opportunities are melee attacks because the AoO rules state so. Standard Action Melee Attacks are melee attacks because the section on that states so. Coup De Grace is a full round action that allows you to do damage. Yes, you use a melee weapon (or bow) to do that, but you do not get any attack roll, bonuses to rolls, penalties to rolls. It is an attack, but it is not a "melee attack" and it does not have a "melee attack roll". You need to perform a melee attack to do Power Attack as per the definition of Power Attack. CDG does not state that you are doing a melee attack (in fact, you are doing something more akin to disarming a trap or picking a lock then swinging a weapon, you are performing a precise concentrated action that results in damage, your tool just happens to be called a weapon). [/QUOTE]
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