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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 1239640" data-attributes="member: 2011">Well, make up your mind. Either those sentences are part of the rules, or they are not. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />A full round spell is still a spell.A coup de grace is still an attack.You cannot do a move action with a full round spell because it is not a standard action.You cannot do a cleave with a coup de grace because it is not a melee attack.Until you illustrate that a CDG is a melee attack (not just an attack that uses a melee weapon, TK can be an attack that uses a melee weapon by picking it up and throwing it) with an attack bonus, you cannot do a cleave with it. Until you illustrate that a CDG is a melee attack, you cannot boost its damage with Power Attack.You can call CDG a melee attack all you want to, but it does not meet all of the literal criteria of a melee attack. It is an attack, it does use a melee weapon, but it is not a combat action, it is a concentration action, and there is no melee attack roll for CDG. You can do a coup de grace outside of combat. You cannot make a melee attack outside of combat.On a side note, I think they screwed up CDG. If you have a 20th level Wizard with a 30 AC due to a boatload of magic protecting him, I think a 5th level Rogue should have an extremely difficult time killing him in his sleep. The magic should still protect him and although the hit and critical might still be automatic, the Reflex save should be modified by the AC magic protecting him (especially deflection bonuses, luck bonuses, force armor, etc.). JMO.</blockquote>

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