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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 1241127" data-attributes="member: 2011">If you'll recall, the only place in 3E core where it stated that if you are stunned, you dropped any carried weapon was in the glossary. And, that was the rule because it was in the book (and it was eventually listed in the FAQ). The glossary is just as valid to find out rules as elsewhere. Other rules may supercede the glossary since it deals more in general rules, but that does not mean that it is invalid.Yes, I'm doing it again.I am explaining that melee is not the same as coup de grace. I am using multiple places in the book to do that.Not just the coup de grace section.Explain to me again how this is somehow incorrect or wrong. Why do we not use the entire books, not just bits and pieces?I am NOT making the assumption (like you) that just because you are using a melee weapon and following the normal critical damage rules that you are making a melee attack with CDG.The table does not illustrate that it is a melee attack.The text of CDG does not illustrate that it is a melee attack.The mechanics of CDG does not illustrate that it is a melee attack.The glossary definitions of melee and melee attack do not illustrate that it is a melee attack.Unlike melee attacks, CDGs can be done with some ranged weapons.Unlike melee attacks, CDGs will provoke AoOs.Unlike melee attacks, CDGs attackers require concentration rolls if damaged.Unlike melee attacks, CDGs have a fort save.Explain to the rest of us why CDG is a melee attack when there are many more differences than similarities between the two please. And, use the sentences in the book to do so.I agree that CDG is an attack. Ranged attacks are attacks. Spell attacks are attacks. CDG is just not a melee attack and does not follow most of the rules of melee attacks.</blockquote>

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