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Can you Cleave after a Cup De' Grassey?
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<blockquote data-quote="Saeviomagy" data-source="post: 1243789" data-attributes="member: 5890"><p>Someone's an idiot who didn't realise that the wording and mechanics for this feat are looney. For starters, true strike works on all the attacks - because it applies to a single attack roll. Next up - I've no idea how this works with cleave/great cleave, because it doesn't say WHEN the attack roll is made, or when the movement is performed, or when AoO's take effect, or anything.</p><p></p><p>Do you start by saying "I'm making a GFBA", then rolling the attack roll, then moving along the flight path, choosing targets, and resolving AoO's and GFBA attacks as you go?</p><p></p><p>If so - you can cherry pick targets for the AC and damage you've rolled. Rolled low? Hit the goons. Rolled high? Hit the BBEG. You can also avoid AoO's by killing a target before you move past him. If this is the case, cleave/great cleave work as normal, with targets being selected from those within reach at different points along the path.</p><p></p><p>If you start by saying "I'm making a GFBA", then moving and selecting targets, THEN resolving them all with an attack roll and damage, then you'll be using cleave and great cleave attacks on targets within reach at the END of the move. Also if AoO's take you down before you get to the end of the move, you get NO attacks.</p><p></p><p>If you make the GFBA, pick path and targets, then roll, then resolve damage, then move, all cleaves apply to targets in reach of your starting locale, AoO's can't stop you making the action, but you can't cherry pick.</p><p></p><p>If you start by saying "I'm making a GFBA", then choosing a path and targets, rolling the attack, THEN actually moving and applying damage, cleaves apply to targets in reach at each point of the move and AoO's which kill you stop you damaging remaining targets, and you can't cherry pick for damage and AC. I'd use this last order - although it's a bit complicated, it seems to be the only one which addresses all the problem issues and resolves in a sane manner.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Saeviomagy, post: 1243789, member: 5890"] Someone's an idiot who didn't realise that the wording and mechanics for this feat are looney. For starters, true strike works on all the attacks - because it applies to a single attack roll. Next up - I've no idea how this works with cleave/great cleave, because it doesn't say WHEN the attack roll is made, or when the movement is performed, or when AoO's take effect, or anything. Do you start by saying "I'm making a GFBA", then rolling the attack roll, then moving along the flight path, choosing targets, and resolving AoO's and GFBA attacks as you go? If so - you can cherry pick targets for the AC and damage you've rolled. Rolled low? Hit the goons. Rolled high? Hit the BBEG. You can also avoid AoO's by killing a target before you move past him. If this is the case, cleave/great cleave work as normal, with targets being selected from those within reach at different points along the path. If you start by saying "I'm making a GFBA", then moving and selecting targets, THEN resolving them all with an attack roll and damage, then you'll be using cleave and great cleave attacks on targets within reach at the END of the move. Also if AoO's take you down before you get to the end of the move, you get NO attacks. If you make the GFBA, pick path and targets, then roll, then resolve damage, then move, all cleaves apply to targets in reach of your starting locale, AoO's can't stop you making the action, but you can't cherry pick. If you start by saying "I'm making a GFBA", then choosing a path and targets, rolling the attack, THEN actually moving and applying damage, cleaves apply to targets in reach at each point of the move and AoO's which kill you stop you damaging remaining targets, and you can't cherry pick for damage and AC. I'd use this last order - although it's a bit complicated, it seems to be the only one which addresses all the problem issues and resolves in a sane manner. [/QUOTE]
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