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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Saeviomagy" data-source="post: 1246179" data-attributes="member: 5890">Now why on earth would you decide to use "points of strength" as a metric for this...Oh, wait. I know. You're forging a misleading argument.So bumping it up by 19 points of damage through weapon choice (and we're not even going for the real heavy hitters of the coup-de-grace world, nor a half-decent strength) is ok, but 20 points of damage through feat selection is not?If he's pulled that off, then there's something seriously wrong with our dragon friend.You mean knowledge gained through... say... thousands of years of experience??But superman is the DM's pet character - you can hardly quote his adventures as things that worthy characters should be able to pull off.Letting the players coupe-de-grace the dragon makes for an enjoyable game? At the (relatively low) coupe-de-grace numbers you've already given, that dragon is dead 19 times out of 20 (a great wyrm gold has only got a +33 save). That's before power attack. Power attack isn't the problem - allowing people to coupe-de-grace a major villain is. If the player has a brain, and uses a real coup-de-grace weapon like a scythe, or uses the party rogue, or any one of a bunch of other methods, the dragon is praying for a 20 on that save. No power attack needed.</blockquote>