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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ridley's Cohort" data-source="post: 256880" data-attributes="member: 545">Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Can you cleave after making an AoO?If you use the standard accepted reading of the rules, then 'close' could be 15' away and around a corner.  Throw in reach and 'close' is meaningless.  If you restrict the cleave to 5 or 10 feet from the original target then there is something to what your say.  I would counter that is  reasonable rule 0, but why not fix the real problem, the cleave feat itself, in the first place?And some people given the choice between simple rules that gives weird results and require rule 0 to bandaid, and equally simple rules that give sensible results and don't require rule 0 prefer the latter.  Your own comment about buckets of snails in the other thread supports my point.The rules as written actually discourage tactics, albeit in a rather minor way.  The net result of AoO + Cleave is a small but real disincentive to flee or provoke AoOs with risky tactics.  It is one thing to risk your own neck but real heroes don't like killing their friends with the same action.</blockquote>