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Can you Counterspell a Counterspell?
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<blockquote data-quote="Deset Gled" data-source="post: 3489174" data-attributes="member: 7808"><p>The answer is no. The problem that you have is that you are assuming that Dispel Magic works the same as a spell as it does a counterspell. This is not the case.</p><p></p><p>You can use Dispel Magic to counterspell when you do not have the correct spell or cannot identify the spell. However, as has been pointed out before, you cannot counterspell unless you have readied an action (or have a feat that allows you to get around that restriction). No readied action, no counterspell, no questions.</p><p></p><p>You can also use Dispel Magic to end a spell's effect. However, this is not the same as counterspelling. When using Dispel Magic in this way, your target is always the creature or object that is being affected; you cannot target a spell itself. Since the counterspell you are attempting to counter is an effect, not a creature or object, it is not a valid target for Dispel Magic. Even assuming you can interupt a counterspell with a free action (which may not be the case), this will not work.</p><p></p><p>A third option would be to use Dispel Magic as an area dispel. However, this is not ideal since you do not control which spell effect it will dispel. It will always go after the highest level spell and work its way downward, and the highest level spell may be your spell. Note that you can choose to automatically succeed on dispel checks against spells you have cast, but you can't automatically fail them. This is assuming you can interupt a counterspell with a free action.</p><p></p><p>Now, where's my money?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Deset Gled, post: 3489174, member: 7808"] The answer is no. The problem that you have is that you are assuming that Dispel Magic works the same as a spell as it does a counterspell. This is not the case. You can use Dispel Magic to counterspell when you do not have the correct spell or cannot identify the spell. However, as has been pointed out before, you cannot counterspell unless you have readied an action (or have a feat that allows you to get around that restriction). No readied action, no counterspell, no questions. You can also use Dispel Magic to end a spell's effect. However, this is not the same as counterspelling. When using Dispel Magic in this way, your target is always the creature or object that is being affected; you cannot target a spell itself. Since the counterspell you are attempting to counter is an effect, not a creature or object, it is not a valid target for Dispel Magic. Even assuming you can interupt a counterspell with a free action (which may not be the case), this will not work. A third option would be to use Dispel Magic as an area dispel. However, this is not ideal since you do not control which spell effect it will dispel. It will always go after the highest level spell and work its way downward, and the highest level spell may be your spell. Note that you can choose to automatically succeed on dispel checks against spells you have cast, but you can't automatically fail them. This is assuming you can interupt a counterspell with a free action. Now, where's my money? [/QUOTE]
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