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Message: <blockquote data-quote="lud" data-source="post: 4107561" data-attributes="member: 59402">Hi,I'll throw in a few comments:A) First on the benefits:They are too strong compared to what you find in published books. I was looking at the Complete Champion and there you can expect:rank 1: +2 bonus on a specific skill.rank 2: +1 bonus to a specific saverank 3: +1 caster level, or +1 attack or an extra use of a specific class ability...You basically have 4 time the benefits expected at each rank!B) On your comment about power gamers not getting ranks:If someone is using tumble, then he will have 5 ranks in jump (for +2 to tumble), 5 rank in spot and balance is not much of a stretch...There is a good chance someone using tumble will also be in a Dex based class with impr. Init and un. dodge. Almost any 4 level rogues would have all those things...So for 15 points at lvl 8lvl (8):4, Dex:1, Thumble(10):2, Jump(5):1, Spot(5):1, balance(5):1,  impr. init:1, unc. dodge:1  You just need then to visit Elysium (+1) and do a mission for the Ciphers (+2) to get to 15...Who would not spend the skill point in escape artist to get the listed benefits? A free stat raise, 8 skill points, +2 init (That's 1/2 a feat, or 4 point of dex!) and a free AoO...Note that you invested 6 point in balance + escape to get 8 points in return!</blockquote>