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<blockquote data-quote="Man in the Funny Hat" data-source="post: 3839499" data-attributes="member: 32740">It is all of the above at any given time and in a given campaign situation.&nbsp; When you have a 1st level (or low-level in any case) PC and you fight an ogre for the first time does it matter whether he's a &quot;leader&quot;, a &quot;soldier&quot;, a &quot;minion&quot;, or whatever?&nbsp; He's the biggest, most dangerous, scariest thing your character has EVER seen in his life - and he knows his life is now a hairs breadth from ending.Same with a Balor.&nbsp; When you first fight one, chances are it's the biggest, baddest, most hideous creature from the foul depths of the outer planes you've ever faced.&nbsp; What does it matter what LABEL you put on it?&nbsp; The point is HOW YOU USE IT.&nbsp; They can be mere minions in the greater scheme of the rulers of the outer planes.&nbsp; One of them could be the focus of an entire campaign from start to finish.&nbsp; It could be that balors become standard, recurring fare for the PC's to fight - a &quot;routine&quot; combat encounter.&nbsp; They do not have to assume any given position of importance or lack thereof in any campaign.Just because 4E might &quot;tag&quot; it as a &quot;brute&quot; doesn't mean that it has to conform to some kind of dumb, thug sort of role in the campaign.&nbsp; Near as I can tell all that will mean is that in combat it uses/doesn't use certain means of attack and defense.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Man in the Funny Hat, post: 3839499, member: 32740"] It is all of the above at any given time and in a given campaign situation. When you have a 1st level (or low-level in any case) PC and you fight an ogre for the first time does it matter whether he's a "leader", a "soldier", a "minion", or whatever? He's the biggest, most dangerous, scariest thing your character has EVER seen in his life - and he knows his life is now a hairs breadth from ending. Same with a Balor. When you first fight one, chances are it's the biggest, baddest, most hideous creature from the foul depths of the outer planes you've ever faced. What does it matter what LABEL you put on it? The point is HOW YOU USE IT. They can be mere minions in the greater scheme of the rulers of the outer planes. One of them could be the focus of an entire campaign from start to finish. It could be that balors become standard, recurring fare for the PC's to fight - a "routine" combat encounter. They do not have to assume any given position of importance or lack thereof in any campaign. Just because 4E might "tag" it as a "brute" doesn't mean that it has to conform to some kind of dumb, thug sort of role in the campaign. Near as I can tell all that will mean is that in combat it uses/doesn't use certain means of attack and defense. [/QUOTE]

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