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Message: <blockquote data-quote="MythandLore" data-source="post: 8009" data-attributes="member: 180">Re: Re: Re: Can you do this with a wish?Let's take a look at your idea, it's a bit flawed because you are looking at first level and your not looking at ablitly scores, BTW you start with the feats at first level SO! YOU! DON'T! INCREASE! THEM! At first level! There are no increases to anything! Get it? - DUH!:1st level Dwarf Cleric - 1 Feat, up to 108 ability points1st level human wizard - 2 Feats, 1 Pre-Picked Bonus Feat, up to 108 ability points1st level human fighter - 2 Feats, 1 Bonus Picked from a List Feat, up to 108 ability points1st level human ranger - 2 Feats, 1 Pre-picked Bonus Feat, 2 Virtual feats, up to 108 ability pointsSo if your a 1st level Dwarf Cleric 1 Feat = up to 108 ability pointsBut if your a 1st level human Regardless of class you can have 2 real Feats, so to him 1 feat = up to 54 ability pointsOr if your a 1st level Human Ranger you have 2 Real Feats and 3 Fake Feats, even if you count the fake feats that's 1 feat = up to 21 ability pointsNow we've been using up to 108 right?Well what if the guy really really sucks???Say He has 50 ablitily points total, that's like an 8 in each score, he retarded, weak, hated, and trips over himself.Say he's a Dwarf Cleric again.That's Still 1 Feat = 50 ability points.What if he trys to be the munchkin Ranger you say?Even if we count his fake feats he's still 1 feat = 10 ability pointsBut you say: "I'm not foolish, what about at high level! Take that!"Okay lets make a 20th level Human Fighter - He gets the most fake feats.And lets assume some how he made it to 20th with only 50 total ability points (He's the weakest fighter ever with 45 points then gained 5 for levels).He has 8 Feats + 11 bonus feats.So we'll count the fake feats too, to make it look like he has lots of real feats.Thats still 19 feats (8 real 11 fake) vs. 50 ability points.Or 1 feat = 2+ abiltiy pointsIf it was a 20th level Dwarf Barbarian with max abilty points he would have 7 feats and 113 abiltiy points.1 feat 16+ ablity points.So, at no point in the game, NEVER EVER, is a single ability point equal to a feat.___________________ADDED_______________________BTW at you really shouldn't be counting things like the fighters bonus feats because they are class features, which a wish can't give you anyway.Yo can't use a wish to cast like your one level higher or gain the evasion or uncanny dodge like a thief, so you can't gain the the bonus feats with a wish.OR you "could" but it would be one of dangerous wording things.So a 20th level Human fighter has 8 feats.8 feats to 113 ablilty points is 1 feat = 14+ ablity points8 feats to 50 ability points is 1 feat = 6+ ability pointsYou should not "really" count the extra feat for being human ether, because racial abilities (darkvision 60', Elf-blooded, etc) can't be granted by a non-dangerous wish.</blockquote>

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