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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 3143418" data-attributes="member: 2011">I was actually being serious. What a spell does and how it does it would appear to be the very definition of what the effect is. Without that information (and some other like duration, range, SR, etc.), we would not have a common framework for playing the game.To me, the easiest adjudication of Empower and Maximize is if there is a variable numeric effect within the spell or power description, then Empower and Maximize can be used. Otherwise, it cannot. Similar to Hyp's rule of thumb, but not identical. And for me, it appears to follow RAW the closest since we get the base effect from the spell or power description. That effect can be modified by external rules, but the spell or power description describes the effect.This concept of adding other qualifiers (e.g. it is a natural attack) which are not defined within the rules seems a little odd. It seems to be based off some "similar rule" concept. Since natural attacks cannot be Empowered, neither can spells or powers that create natural attacks. Err, why not? It is an effect of a natural attack, not a normal natural attack. Psionic, not mundane. And it is also a Psionic power that can be augmented. By definition, it is something that can be improved upon.</blockquote>