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<blockquote data-quote="Hypersmurf" data-source="post: 3371597" data-attributes="member: 1656"><p>If you exclude the conditions for the flanking bonus as conditions for flanking, then all we're left with is the line test.</p><p></p><p>We have a hobgoblin in the centre of a room, between a door in the east wall and a door in the west wall. I'm behind door number 1, and a creature friendly to me is behind door number 2. Neither of us threaten the hobgoblin; neither of us can even <em>see</em> the hobgoblin; nevertheless, we satisfy the line test.</p><p></p><p>There are only two 'states' described in the flanking text. One is 'satisfies the line test'; the other is 'making a melee attack while a creature friendly to you and directly opposite threatens your opponent'. One of those two must describe what is necessary to be considered flanking; if it's the second, then the first is merely emphasising how to determine 'directly opposite'. If it <em>isn't</em> the second, then it's the first... and we can flank with ranged weapons, or through a door.</p><p></p><p>Since that strikes me as ridiculous, I read it that it's necessary to be making a melee attack while a creature friendly to you and directly opposite threatens your opponent in order to be considered flanking. If this means that the PHBII maneuver is ill-written, so be it.</p><p></p><p>-Hyp.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hypersmurf, post: 3371597, member: 1656"] If you exclude the conditions for the flanking bonus as conditions for flanking, then all we're left with is the line test. We have a hobgoblin in the centre of a room, between a door in the east wall and a door in the west wall. I'm behind door number 1, and a creature friendly to me is behind door number 2. Neither of us threaten the hobgoblin; neither of us can even [i]see[/i] the hobgoblin; nevertheless, we satisfy the line test. There are only two 'states' described in the flanking text. One is 'satisfies the line test'; the other is 'making a melee attack while a creature friendly to you and directly opposite threatens your opponent'. One of those two must describe what is necessary to be considered flanking; if it's the second, then the first is merely emphasising how to determine 'directly opposite'. If it [i]isn't[/i] the second, then it's the first... and we can flank with ranged weapons, or through a door. Since that strikes me as ridiculous, I read it that it's necessary to be making a melee attack while a creature friendly to you and directly opposite threatens your opponent in order to be considered flanking. If this means that the PHBII maneuver is ill-written, so be it. -Hyp. [/QUOTE]
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