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<blockquote data-quote="mvincent" data-source="post: 3371978" data-attributes="member: 27034"><p>Since I have no desire to repeat several pages of debate (which is unfortunately lost), I'll ask: Is there anything that can convince you that you can be flanking someone even when no one is making an attack roll? From my military experience, this is how the term is normally used, but I'm ok with agreeing to disagree.</p><p></p><p>I can see the point that you are trying to make, but I am inclined to view the rules as subject to interpretation here (i.e. at least one WotC author interpreted it differently from you). When I view a D&D rule as subject to interpretation, I usually look to supplemental material to help settle such matters for me. In this, the PHBII manuever description was very clear that flanking can occur outside of an attack roll.</p><p></p><p>If a core rules reference is desired: the graphic in the PHB pg. 153 reads "<em>Tordek and Redgar are flanking the troll</em>" or (from the D&D boxed game) <em>"Lidda moves to a square from she can attack the monster. She and Redgar are now flanking the monster"</em>. These situations are given without an attack roll occuring. Also, the line "<em>two friendly characters flank an opponent...</em>" in the rules implies that at least one character is flanking at a time when he is not melee attacking. i.e. the syntax of flanking implies that one can flank even when it is not their turn (or consequently, when they are not currently attacking with a melee weapon).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="mvincent, post: 3371978, member: 27034"] Since I have no desire to repeat several pages of debate (which is unfortunately lost), I'll ask: Is there anything that can convince you that you can be flanking someone even when no one is making an attack roll? From my military experience, this is how the term is normally used, but I'm ok with agreeing to disagree. I can see the point that you are trying to make, but I am inclined to view the rules as subject to interpretation here (i.e. at least one WotC author interpreted it differently from you). When I view a D&D rule as subject to interpretation, I usually look to supplemental material to help settle such matters for me. In this, the PHBII manuever description was very clear that flanking can occur outside of an attack roll. If a core rules reference is desired: the graphic in the PHB pg. 153 reads "[I]Tordek and Redgar are flanking the troll[/I]" or (from the D&D boxed game) [I]"Lidda moves to a square from she can attack the monster. She and Redgar are now flanking the monster"[/I]. These situations are given without an attack roll occuring. Also, the line "[I]two friendly characters flank an opponent...[/I]" in the rules implies that at least one character is flanking at a time when he is not melee attacking. i.e. the syntax of flanking implies that one can flank even when it is not their turn (or consequently, when they are not currently attacking with a melee weapon). [/QUOTE]
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