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<blockquote data-quote="RigaMortus" data-source="post: 1641954" data-attributes="member: 1077">There are many things in a fantasy setting that I can't visualize working, but according to the rules they do.&nbsp; Example: Read the &quot;Rogue Disarming an Alarm spell&quot; thread.&nbsp; How does one visualize a Rogue disarming a magical trap that has no visual mechanics to it?&nbsp; It doesn't matter, because according to the rules, you can, no matter if the Player or DM can wrap their head around how it would visually look or not...It is great that you &quot;visualize&quot; a Cleave as passing through the flesh of one creature, into another.&nbsp; That doesn't make it the only way to visualize it, nor the correct way.&nbsp; To answer your question, I visualize it as such (again, not that it matters)...&nbsp; Kill bad guy with Great Axe, which Cleaves through him into the next guy (this is the regular Cleave).&nbsp; This does not kill him, but the weapon is &quot;lodged&quot; in the bad guys flesh.&nbsp; So as you rip it out of his flesh, you have a chance to do more damage (there is your Great Cleave).&nbsp; You may have ripped it out so strongly that you kill him and the momentum of the Great Axe goes into the next guy (Great Cleave continues...).I guess the way you play it, you can't Cleave with Blunt or Piercing weapons, huh?&nbsp; Tell me how you visualize a Mace or Rapier &quot;cleaving&quot; someone...Edit: Fixed typos</blockquote>

[QUOTE="RigaMortus, post: 1641954, member: 1077"] There are many things in a fantasy setting that I can't visualize working, but according to the rules they do. Example: Read the "Rogue Disarming an Alarm spell" thread. How does one visualize a Rogue disarming a magical trap that has no visual mechanics to it? It doesn't matter, because according to the rules, you can, no matter if the Player or DM can wrap their head around how it would visually look or not... It is great that you "visualize" a Cleave as passing through the flesh of one creature, into another. That doesn't make it the only way to visualize it, nor the correct way. To answer your question, I visualize it as such (again, not that it matters)... Kill bad guy with Great Axe, which Cleaves through him into the next guy (this is the regular Cleave). This does not kill him, but the weapon is "lodged" in the bad guys flesh. So as you rip it out of his flesh, you have a chance to do more damage (there is your Great Cleave). You may have ripped it out so strongly that you kill him and the momentum of the Great Axe goes into the next guy (Great Cleave continues...). I guess the way you play it, you can't Cleave with Blunt or Piercing weapons, huh? Tell me how you visualize a Mace or Rapier "cleaving" someone... Edit: Fixed typos [/QUOTE]

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