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<blockquote data-quote="tenkar" data-source="post: 1642748" data-attributes="member: 15047">I've been watching this thread most of the day so I figure it's time to put my 2 cents into it.&nbsp; You're NOT going to convince certain players to concede on an area of the rules if it means losing a percieved benefit, no matter how implausible that benefit might be.Common sense and the spirit of the rules would indicate that great cleave is an upgrade to cleave and supercedes it, similar to the improvement one gets in improving TWF.&nbsp; But to heck with the common sense approach, lets look at the feats summary on page 91... look at cleave (extra melee attack after dropping target)... now look at great cleave (no limit to cleave attacks per round)Looks like the only effect great cleave has is in unlocking cleave's limit... it by itself has NO effect.&nbsp; Interesting.&nbsp; It appears your first cleave of the round is from the cleave feat and any other opportunities arising after the first need great cleave to &quot;unlock&quot; the ability to cleave more then once... one cleave per mob downed.&nbsp; Not that I expect anyone on the other side of the fence to climb over now, but it seems fairly clear to me. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="tenkar, post: 1642748, member: 15047"] I've been watching this thread most of the day so I figure it's time to put my 2 cents into it. You're NOT going to convince certain players to concede on an area of the rules if it means losing a percieved benefit, no matter how implausible that benefit might be. Common sense and the spirit of the rules would indicate that great cleave is an upgrade to cleave and supercedes it, similar to the improvement one gets in improving TWF. But to heck with the common sense approach, lets look at the feats summary on page 91... look at cleave (extra melee attack after dropping target)... now look at great cleave (no limit to cleave attacks per round) Looks like the only effect great cleave has is in unlocking cleave's limit... it by itself has NO effect. Interesting. It appears your first cleave of the round is from the cleave feat and any other opportunities arising after the first need great cleave to "unlock" the ability to cleave more then once... one cleave per mob downed. Not that I expect anyone on the other side of the fence to climb over now, but it seems fairly clear to me. :) [/QUOTE]

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