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<blockquote data-quote="Leif" data-source="post: 4735013" data-attributes="member: 48762">The abstract idea of &quot;railroading&quot; sounds bad, raises my hackles, and makes me growl.&nbsp; That's as a Player.&nbsp; As a DM, however, sometimes (no matter how rare) there are times when you have little or no other choice.&nbsp; You've dropped the hints, you've dropped the BIGGER hints, and you've beat the players (gently) about the head and shoulders with the hints, and they still fail to get it.&nbsp; You've planned out this adventure, are you supposed to abandon your idea and do whatever the players want just because it's their game?And, on the other hand, well, YEAH, it is all about the players!&nbsp; The whole game is primarily for their enjoyment.&nbsp; Any pleasure that the DM gets is supposedly merely coincidental.I see both arguments.&nbsp; But I also see that both arguments are totally full of it!&nbsp; If you're having this trouble often enough that you feel compelled to start a thread at ENWorld about it, maybe you should look for a new gaming group?&nbsp; Better yet, just do pbp gaming with us here!&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin&nbsp; &nbsp; :D"&nbsp; data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Leif, post: 4735013, member: 48762"] The abstract idea of "railroading" sounds bad, raises my hackles, and makes me growl. That's as a Player. As a DM, however, sometimes (no matter how rare) there are times when you have little or no other choice. You've dropped the hints, you've dropped the BIGGER hints, and you've beat the players (gently) about the head and shoulders with the hints, and they still fail to get it. You've planned out this adventure, are you supposed to abandon your idea and do what[i]ever[/i] the players want just because it's [i]their[/i] game? And, on the other hand, well, YEAH, it [i]is[/i] all about the players! The whole game is primarily for their enjoyment. Any pleasure that the DM gets is supposedly merely coincidental. I see both arguments. But I also see that both arguments are totally full of it! If you're having this trouble often enough that you feel compelled to start a thread at ENWorld about it, maybe you should look for a new gaming group? Better yet, just do pbp gaming with us here! :D [/QUOTE]

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