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<blockquote data-quote="Kmart Kommando" data-source="post: 2840416" data-attributes="member: 39915">Actually, it says right in the buckler description that you can use a bow or crossbow with no penalties:You can use a bow or crossbow without penalty while carrying it. Losing the AC bonus of a buckler sure sounds like a penalty to me.And burning 2 feats on TWF and Improved Buckler Defense as an archer just to be able to use a buckler the way it was intended is just plain stupid.What if you use your bow, then someone surprises you?&nbsp; You've used your bow, so your buckler doesn't apply, but you're flatfooted, so your buckler does apply. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue&nbsp; &nbsp; :p"&nbsp; data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /> If you really want to get technical about it, you are holding the bow in your offhand, and drawing the bow with your main hand.&nbsp; For those of you playing 3e, do you make the archers take the -4 off hand penalty?&nbsp; I am actually left-handed, but can shoot either handed (though right-handed is more natural for me), but most people can't do that.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Kmart Kommando, post: 2840416, member: 39915"] Actually, it says right in the buckler description that you can use a bow or crossbow with no penalties: [I]You can use a bow or crossbow without penalty while carrying it. [/I] Losing the AC bonus of a buckler sure sounds like a penalty to me. And burning 2 feats on TWF and Improved Buckler Defense as an archer just to be able to use a buckler the way it was intended is just plain stupid. What if you use your bow, then someone surprises you? You've used your bow, so your buckler doesn't apply, but you're flatfooted, so your buckler does apply. :p If you really want to get technical about it, you are holding the bow in your offhand, and drawing the bow with your main hand. For those of you playing 3e, do you make the archers take the -4 off hand penalty? I am actually left-handed, but can shoot either handed (though right-handed is more natural for me), but most people can't do that. [/QUOTE]

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