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<blockquote data-quote="keterys" data-source="post: 6370440" data-attributes="member: 43019">It depends on the task, is the only real answer. You can't necessarily &quot;re-talk&quot; someone, as an easy example. Almost any check to determine if you possess requisite knowledge should also not logically allow a retry. One could argue that even physical skills, like picking locks, fall into that same area.That said, there's no particular reason to expect that you can &quot;take 20&quot; the roundabout way to climb a wall or pick a lock. It's perfectly reasonable to assume that it's supposed to be special when a &quot;Very Hard&quot; or &quot;Nearly Impossible&quot; DC is passed, representing a lucky 19 or 20 or whatever, not simply perseverance. It's one reason I wished they'd encoded the concept of &quot;Let it Ride&quot; and/or &quot;Failing Forward&quot; into the ruleset. Some of the most dreary parts of D&amp;D I've experienced have been when people roll skill checks over and over to overcome some obstacle like a cliff or whatever.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="keterys, post: 6370440, member: 43019"] It depends on the task, is the only real answer. You can't necessarily "re-talk" someone, as an easy example. Almost any check to determine if you possess requisite knowledge should also not logically allow a retry. One could argue that even physical skills, like picking locks, fall into that same area. That said, there's no particular reason to expect that you can "take 20" the roundabout way to climb a wall or pick a lock. It's perfectly reasonable to assume that it's supposed to be special when a "Very Hard" or "Nearly Impossible" DC is passed, representing a lucky 19 or 20 or whatever, not simply perseverance. It's one reason I wished they'd encoded the concept of "Let it Ride" and/or "Failing Forward" into the ruleset. Some of the most dreary parts of D&D I've experienced have been when people roll skill checks over and over to overcome some obstacle like a cliff or whatever. [/QUOTE]

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