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<blockquote data-quote="GreenTengu" data-source="post: 6392473" data-attributes="member: 6777454">I am not sure I understand the mentality between not allowing retries.There might be a negative effect for a bad roll, but think about this...A skill check is generally the result of 6 seconds of attempt.How often do you call a Locksmith and he comes to your house, tries to unlock the lock for you and they try for all of 6 seconds and then come back to you and say &quot;Sorry, I failed my first attempt. The lock is not impossible for me to ever unlock. We should bring someone else in here to try.&quot;What even is that mentality?You can't do it for Persuasion checks? You've really never had the experience of someone asking you or telling you do something and resisting the first time but after they constantly pester you about it or their reaction to you saying &quot;no&quot; is enough to break down your resistance?Sorry to say, like it or not, there are retries in real life. And you spend time retrying, but there are plenty of times when you have all the time in the world and can keep trying and trying until you get it. If I gave you a game and gave you plenty of time to play it, the first Game Over screen is not the absolute limit of your ability and you can never possibly finish the game... no, not at all. The more you fail, the more time it will take you to finish, but so long as you are capable of finishing the game even just by being lucky or whatever you will eventually be able to finish it. In fact, the more you try the better you'll become at it! And surely that cannot equate to gaining a level and more skill points from playing the game... it just so happens that this particular game becomes easier and easier the more you practice it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="GreenTengu, post: 6392473, member: 6777454"] I am not sure I understand the mentality between not allowing retries. There might be a negative effect for a bad roll, but think about this... A skill check is generally the result of 6 seconds of attempt. How often do you call a Locksmith and he comes to your house, tries to unlock the lock for you and they try for all of 6 seconds and then come back to you and say "Sorry, I failed my first attempt. The lock is not impossible for me to ever unlock. We should bring someone else in here to try." What even is that mentality? You can't do it for Persuasion checks? You've really never had the experience of someone asking you or telling you do something and resisting the first time but after they constantly pester you about it or their reaction to you saying "no" is enough to break down your resistance? Sorry to say, like it or not, there are retries in real life. And you spend time retrying, but there are plenty of times when you have all the time in the world and can keep trying and trying until you get it. If I gave you a game and gave you plenty of time to play it, the first Game Over screen is not the absolute limit of your ability and you can never possibly finish the game... no, not at all. The more you fail, the more time it will take you to finish, but so long as you are capable of finishing the game even just by being lucky or whatever you will eventually be able to finish it. In fact, the more you try the better you'll become at it! And surely that cannot equate to gaining a level and more skill points from playing the game... it just so happens that this particular game becomes easier and easier the more you practice it. [/QUOTE]

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