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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ppaladin123" data-source="post: 5604539" data-attributes="member: 60923">I agree it could be "gamey." Of course, I've played in enough groups where the DM routinely uses nighttime ambushes because he knows the players won't have access to their armor bonus that I've become a bit paranoid about it. "Gamey" DMs breed "gamey" players.<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />On the other hand, if a small adventuring party was in enemy territory and a nighttime assault was a real possibility, it would make sense to sleep in armor clutching their weapons. Soldiers throughout history occasionally have had to do this during sieges and before big battles and apparently could still function and win the next day so, while it certainly isn't comfortable or as restful as a night on a Tempurpedic mattress it isn't incapacitating or seriously debilitating if done only once and a while.So for example, the half-healing surge thing seems a bit strong. Any graduate student can tell you that you can pull an all-nighter before a huge presentation, due-date, conference, or whatever and make it through the day on pure adrenaline; you just can't do it on subsequent nights. In another, more "physical" instance I slept in Yosemite with insufficiently warm clothing (I learned a valuable lesson that night) and on uncomfortable, rocky ground (but in a tent), got at most 2-3 hour of restless sleep and then climbed Half-Dome. I obviously did not lose half of my total life force as a result of this awful night of sleep. I was darn exhausted though and if I were forced to do it again the next night, I would probably have become seriously ill and unable to function. On the other hand, I am not a legendary hero with super-human strength either.If I were to do this I would probably let players sleep in their armor once and while without penalty. If they did so on two or three or four nights in a row I would subject them to an increasingly stiff endurance check; they would begin to lose access to more and more surges, start gaining penalties to perception, and insight, and take additional surge "damage" if they tried to cram multiple encounters into the same day. I think you can adjust the severity of the penalties according to the power level of your campaign. I'm guessing in the epic tier when the characters are all demi-gods and can warp space-time, a couple of nights sleeping in their armor is not going to phase them much.Of course, I am not one to tell someone how to have fun so use whatever system you'd like.</blockquote>

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