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<blockquote data-quote="evilbob" data-source="post: 3547166" data-attributes="member: 9789">Sorry, but now you are reading more into it than is there.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />&nbsp; I've done exactly the thing you're talking about there and I find it in no way like a steamroller coming at me at 55 mph.Regardless, the point is that if you have the time, you can take 10 - we all agree on that.&nbsp; If you're distracted and can't do it, then fine - I handily retract the word &quot;never&quot; and replace it with &quot;almost never&quot; in my above statement about disguise if it will stop folks from coming up with exceptions that don't actually argue against the point.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />&nbsp; My point is that it takes time and it's specifically described as something you do beforehand - hide is not.And I am arguing that it is, and your disguise example I believe goes a good way in this interpretation's favor.&nbsp; Disguise specifically says you need to make the check, and then it is later opposed.&nbsp; Forgery does, too.&nbsp; If hide worked like that, it would say that.I completely agree with this statement.&nbsp; But showing that forgery can sometimes be used without taking 10 doesn't prove that hiding can be used with taking 10.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="evilbob, post: 3547166, member: 9789"] Sorry, but now you are reading more into it than is there. :) I've done exactly the thing you're talking about there and I find it in no way like a steamroller coming at me at 55 mph. Regardless, the point is that if you have the time, you can take 10 - we all agree on that. If you're distracted and can't do it, then fine - I handily retract the word "never" and replace it with "almost never" in my above statement about disguise if it will stop folks from coming up with exceptions that don't actually argue against the point. :) My point is that it takes time and it's specifically described as something you do beforehand - hide is not. And I am arguing that it is, and your disguise example I believe goes a good way in this interpretation's favor. Disguise specifically says you need to make the check, and then it is later opposed. Forgery does, too. If hide worked like that, it would say that. I completely agree with this statement. But showing that forgery can sometimes be used without taking 10 doesn't prove that hiding can be used with taking 10. :) [/QUOTE]

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