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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 3589305" data-attributes="member: 2525">No more or less than the hide check.  "Your Disguise check result determines how good the disguise is, and it is opposed by others’ Spot check results."  Pretty much the same rule as hide.  You don't even roll a disguise check until you are observed, and you only roll it once no matter how many observers there are.Just like hide.So for Disguise and Forgery, you make the check when you make the disguise or forgery, even though you do not actually roll until it is opposed.  So we are in agreement - the time you roll a check is not always the time you use the skill.  Right?What?  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f615.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":confused:" title="Confused    :confused:"  data-smilie="5"data-shortname=":confused:" /> Why?  Why would you need to know right now for hide, when you wouldn't need to know right now with forgery and disguise?So when you said "Forgery is an exception and listed as one,", were you lying, or mistaken?You said "Forgery is an exception and listed as one".  I'm not a grammar expert, but when you say "Forgery is an exception" that's the English word, not game term.  But when you say "and listed as one", that seems pretty clear to me to be a game rule list.  It's certainly not "listed" in a dictionary as an exception.Where is that rule? It sure seems to depend on the circumstances.  Some skills get used and have their roll simultaneously, some not, and some depends on the circumstances.  Where is the rule that all are simultaneous unless otherwise specified?  Sure seems to me like the rule is defaulted to "depends on the circumstances" like every other rule in this game.You are not initiatiing the use of the hide skill when you roll the dice, by defintion.  If you are initiating the use of the skill then, you are too late because you were already observed, and you cannot begin to hide while observed.  You need to initiate before you are observed, just like you need to forge before you are observed, and just like you need to disguise before you are observed.  All three involve using the skill earlier than the actual opposed roll, and all three should use the conditions present when you used the skill as opposed to the conditions present when the opposed roll takes place.</blockquote>

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