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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hypersmurf" data-source="post: 3593621" data-attributes="member: 1656">That's why Taking 20 on a Hide check requires, in my opinion, a/ a cooperative observer, and b/ a DM who feels that a single Hide check is opposed by multiple spotters.If the DM rules that three orcs means three Spot checks opposed by three Hide checks, it's immaterial - hiding really well against your friend will provide no advantage against subsequent enemies.  But if he feels that it means three Spot checks opposed by a single Hide check, we're in business.Your cooperative observer spends 20 rounds opposing your Hide check, then closing his eyes (giving you the chance to Hide again).  He'll automatically Spot you the first 19 times (since you fail, regardless of his Spot check), and on the 20th time, your Hide result is calculated as though you had rolled a 20.  He may or may not see you this time (depending on his Spot check), but that 20 + modifier is the result opposed by the three orcs who come wandering along five minutes later.-Hyp.</blockquote>