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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 3595754" data-attributes="member: 2525">And I disagree with your intepretation.  Read as written the first sentence doesn't imply simultnaneous action to me.  The "when your character uses a skill," is not implying a time frame to me.  I understand that the word "when" often implies a time frame, but in this case it's more of an indication similar to "So your character has decided to use a skill? Here are the ramifications of that...".  Sort of like the sentence "When you get a good education, you get a good job" doesn't imply that your good job comes simultaneous with the good education, despite the use of the word "when", just that a good education leads to a good job.I do not view them as specific exceptions.  There is no rule the are "exceptions" from.  They are just describing that these skills are ALWAYS done well in advance of a required roll.  I suppose that is the exception - most skills depend on the specific circumstances to tell if you make the check simultaneous with the use, or at a much later time.  Forgery and Disguise and Use Rope are always not simultaneous.  Hide, however, is circumstance-dependant. Nor could it, since hide is dependant on circumstances.  Forgery always has to be done well in advance of the skill check.  Hide can be done well in advance, when laying in ambush, or it could be done very close to the time of the check, like when moving.  The same language wouldn't work for hide.  However, that doesn't mean it cannot function similar to forgery if the circumstances are right for it - like an ambush.And I disagree with your logic.  Just because forgery and disguise and use rope have language about how they always work, doesn't mean hide never works that way if the circumstances allow for it.II was just responding to others who were citing that language for your side of the debate.  I think it's bloody well clear you don't need to move to hide, but a few others were arguing otherwise.And some atypical but fully allowable uses do not.  Like an ambush.  Like standing still while invisible.  Like sniping.  Like any sort of hiding while not moving (as in "I hide behind the chair, hoping the terrfying Ogre does not see me and eat me when it comes around the corner").Yes, I know.  Not sure what your point is.  I was citing that portion to demonstrate that the hide rule itself assumes you CAN hide while immobile.  That you don't get bonuses for doing so unless you are invisible is not relevant to my point.  You can hide while not moving.  Hiding is not tied to moving.See above</blockquote>

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