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<blockquote data-quote="phindar" data-source="post: 3321041" data-attributes="member: 37198">The only problem I have with Taking 20 on a Hide is you can't Hide if someone's looking at you, and if no one is looking at you, you can Take 20.&nbsp; So the only time anyone would make an actual Hide Skill check is in those rare occurances when someone looks away from them for one round.&nbsp; If you can't Take 20 on an Opposed Check, I think Hide is enough of one to qualify.&nbsp; Even though you aren't opposed when you make the check, the Hide roll doesn't mean anything until someone counters it with a Spot.&nbsp; (It doesn't matter what your Hide roll is if no one looks for you.)&nbsp; Hide sets the Spot DC, so its a little hinky to take 20 on it.&nbsp; Likewise, it means people can take 20 on Spot checks (unless interrupted), and at that point you're just comparing skill ranks.Also, Hide and Spot are ambiguous in how they work.&nbsp; The eye recognizes Shape, Color and Movement, but the skills don't go into that much detail.&nbsp; A 20 represents your perfect Hide, but that's not something you can maintain round to round.&nbsp; In fact, how well you Hide at the outset really doesn't mean anything.&nbsp; Its how well you're Hiding when someone finally looks at you.From that point of view, there's no point in rolling a Hide check until a someone looks at you.&nbsp; (You can announce you're Hiding whenever, but you don't make the skill check until you're opposing a Spotter.)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="phindar, post: 3321041, member: 37198"] The only problem I have with Taking 20 on a Hide is you can't Hide if someone's looking at you, and if no one is looking at you, you can Take 20. So the only time anyone would make an actual Hide Skill check is in those rare occurances when someone looks away from them for one round. If you can't Take 20 on an Opposed Check, I think Hide is enough of one to qualify. Even though you aren't opposed when you make the check, the Hide roll doesn't mean anything until someone counters it with a Spot. (It doesn't matter what your Hide roll is if no one looks for you.) Hide sets the Spot DC, so its a little hinky to take 20 on it. Likewise, it means people can take 20 on Spot checks (unless interrupted), and at that point you're just comparing skill ranks. Also, Hide and Spot are ambiguous in how they work. The eye recognizes Shape, Color and Movement, but the skills don't go into that much detail. A 20 represents your perfect Hide, but that's not something you can maintain round to round. In fact, how well you Hide at the outset really doesn't mean anything. Its how well you're Hiding when someone finally looks at you. From that point of view, there's no point in rolling a Hide check until a someone looks at you. (You can announce you're Hiding whenever, but you don't make the skill check until you're opposing a Spotter.) [/QUOTE]

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