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<blockquote data-quote="Li Shenron" data-source="post: 3321122" data-attributes="member: 1465">The fact is, the Hide skill was basically design around the ideas of(1) quickly hide before someone sees you(2) move under your concealment or partial coverIt's not very supportive of the situation when no one is around, you find a hiding spot and stay there... For example, there are no circumstance bonus/penalties listed for different terrain or foliage etc, not even the concealment section in the PHB lists hide bonuses!Those 2 situations above are what Hide was designed for, and both those situations are &quot;real-time&quot;, which makes no sense to Take 20.But then I think that a Hide check makes sense to be used also to prepare yourself a hiding place, or setup an ambush. I think however the following should be considered:- as soon as you move, you are in situation (2) and need to roll another Hide check- if Take 20 is allowed, it easily means that nearly all ambushes in the game will succeed, since the opponent cannot take 20 in Spot, and since the offender almost always has a higher Hide modifier (otherwise ambush wouldn't be one of his frequent tactics) while the defender rarely has a maxed out Spot</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Li Shenron, post: 3321122, member: 1465"] The fact is, the Hide skill was basically design around the ideas of (1) quickly hide before someone sees you (2) move under your concealment or partial cover It's not very supportive of the situation when no one is around, you find a hiding spot and stay there... For example, there are no circumstance bonus/penalties listed for different terrain or foliage etc, not even the concealment section in the PHB lists hide bonuses! Those 2 situations above are what Hide was designed for, and both those situations are "real-time", which makes no sense to Take 20. But then I think that a Hide check makes sense to be used also to prepare yourself a hiding place, or setup an ambush. I think however the following should be considered: - as soon as you move, you are in situation (2) and need to roll another Hide check - if Take 20 is allowed, it easily means that nearly all ambushes in the game will succeed, since the opponent cannot take 20 in Spot, and since the offender almost always has a higher Hide modifier (otherwise ambush wouldn't be one of his frequent tactics) while the defender rarely has a maxed out Spot [/QUOTE]

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