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Message: <blockquote data-quote="tomBitonti" data-source="post: 3324968" data-attributes="member: 13107">Semi-random thoughts ...Semi-random, so IHMO:...So ... if a character spends time beforehand finding a great hiding spot,say, behind a stone wall, wouldn't finding that spot be the equivalentof gaining a circumstance bonus?I'd imagine that a character that dons camouflage netting is gaininga bonus to their hide check.  A character that removes all shine on theirperson should gain a bonus.  (Remember: Shape, Surface, Shine, Silhouette,Shadow, Spacing and Movement)  Hmm, unless that is what the character'shide ability represents ... their ability to know these factors and minimize them....The problem that I'm having is that the spot DC should be less randomthan the spot vs. hide mechanic makes it.  Spotting your fallencomrade, who was wearing a brown and green outfit, and who fellinto a clump of similarly colored foliage, should not take a spot checkagainst a hide ability.  It should have a fixed or nearly fixed spot DC.(or a pseudo hide roll, based on the circumstances?)On the other hand, spotting a bright blue character in front of a yellowbackground ("in plain sight") should be and is automatic....I'd imagine that if a character has time to setup a camouflage blind, andsteps out to check on the visibility of that blind, should be able to set thespot DC to their own best spot result.  The time to setup the blind shouldbe longer than 20 spot checks, since they have to go back to their blindand adjust between checks.  And, the blind should definitely be directional.(Ever watch a magic show from *behind* the magician?  You see a heck alot more of the mundane mechanics of the tricks.)...In a case where the hide result cannot be checked, say, if a character divesbehind a log into a pile of leaves and has no real idea of how well they hid,then a single hide roll to determine their spot DC -- with modifiers according tohow much cover the leaves might actually provide, and according to thecharacters outfit, and how good they are at burrowing into the leaves (theirhide ability) -- seems appropriate.  But whether they hid well (burrowed deeply)or poorly (left their butt sticking out) would be according to a single roll.</blockquote>

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