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Message: <blockquote data-quote="StreamOfTheSky" data-source="post: 3328408" data-attributes="member: 35909">If I have a +20 skill modifier and attempt to take 20 on a DC 80 task, do I fail every try until the last, in which I succeed?If I decide to take 20 on a skill check when at the time a 1 will suffice, am I forced to not take 20, even if all the conitions are met?What about when the same check result could potentially apply later, with a different opposed modifier?  If I have a Use Rope modifier of +11 and my foe i'm tying up has an escape artist modifier of +1, must I take a 1 on the check (the guy tying gets a +10 bonus, remember, for a total of +21)?  What if while not being watched later on, he manages to find a greasy puddle to roll around in for a +2 circumstance to escape being bound?  Perhaps a mage friend secretly (Silent and Still Spell) greases him, for a full +10 bonus.  If my character making the Use Rope check is paranoid of these things and wants to Take 20 just to be safe, isn't that his choice to make?  For the example, we'll just say at the time the captured foe is unconcious at -200 non-lethal damage or something, plenty of time to work with!  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> This applies to Hide depending on how you answer Hyp's question.  I would say if no movement or adjustment has been made since the original Hide check, the Troll would spot against the same check result.  Maybe if the hider successfuly spots the Troll coming, he could readjust his postion and make a new check.  If the Troll comes in from a direction that gives him a better vantage point or whatever, that should be a circumstance bonus.  No new hide is actually being attempted.  My opinion, at least.Fair enough, I'd be willing to compromise on having the spot buddy nearly your match.  But why is it so silly to you?  If an assassin and a "face" rogue are pulling a job in a lord's mansion, with the face rogue succeeding in posing as a chef, I could easily see this scenario come into play.  While supposedly preparing the meal, he helps his assassin friend find the best possible hiding spot from which to pull off the hit, critiquing each attempt.  He hides, meal's served, lord is hit with a miniscule blowgun dart that goes completely unnoticed and contains a deadly poison with a delayed effect: only after a few hours in the bloodstream do the first signs emerge.  By which time, they're both gone.  Heh, my example got a little unnescessarily complicated.</blockquote>

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