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<blockquote data-quote="airwalkrr" data-source="post: 3333362" data-attributes="member: 12460">I would like to pose a question to Hyp. What basis do you have for thinking a character with a +20 to Hide with a friend who has a +9 to Spot &quot;aiding&quot; him in the method you proscribe is able to discern the difference between rolling a 10 and a 20?Hiding Character: *rolls a 25*Am I hidden yet?Spotting Character: *takes 20 for a 29* Nope, keep trying.Hiding Character: *rolls a 30* Am I hidden yet?Spotting Character: *takes 20 for a 29* Umm, yes, but you can do better. At least I think so because you haven't tried 20 times yet.How is the spotting character ability to ensure the hiding character gets any better than a 10 on his d20 roll? As you put it, any character &quot;aiding&quot; a hiding character should be able to help him take 10, regardless of their respective bonuses. Please explain to me how the &quot;aiding&quot; character is able to provide any better feedback than that if his Spot bonus is inferior to his ally's Hide bonus?As I have stated before, the only situation in which your scenario would mechanically be able to let one take 20 is if the character making Spot checks has a Spot modifier 1 less than the Hide modifier of his ally.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="airwalkrr, post: 3333362, member: 12460"] I would like to pose a question to Hyp. What basis do you have for thinking a character with a +20 to Hide with a friend who has a +9 to Spot "aiding" him in the method you proscribe is able to discern the difference between rolling a 10 and a 20? Hiding Character: *rolls a 25*Am I hidden yet? Spotting Character: *takes 20 for a 29* Nope, keep trying. Hiding Character: *rolls a 30* Am I hidden yet? Spotting Character: *takes 20 for a 29* Umm, yes, but you can do better. At least I think so because you haven't tried 20 times yet. How is the spotting character ability to ensure the hiding character gets any better than a 10 on his d20 roll? As you put it, any character "aiding" a hiding character should be able to help him take 10, regardless of their respective bonuses. Please explain to me how the "aiding" character is able to provide any better feedback than that if his Spot bonus is inferior to his ally's Hide bonus? As I have stated before, the only situation in which your scenario would mechanically be able to let one take 20 is if the character making Spot checks has a Spot modifier 1 less than the Hide modifier of his ally. [/QUOTE]

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